[20:11:26] Lauren Weyland: I got divorced
[20:11:35] Ina Centaur: no, i’m asking… what do you think the appeal with Nike is all about?
[20:11:36] Lauren Weyland: and my whole home is Made In China
[20:11:43] Lauren Weyland: marketing
[20:11:54] Ina Centaur: how does marketing work?
[20:11:57] Lauren Weyland: I could sell you stuff you never wanted
[20:12:09] Lauren Weyland: ok…it works slowly and fails quickly
[20:12:26] Lauren Weyland: where is Atlas when you need him?”
[20:12:29] Ina Centaur: nike’s don’t fit most people’s feet.. and yet we all buy them
[20:12:33] Ina Centaur: why?
[20:12:37] Lauren Weyland: I don’t own a pair
[20:12:43] Lauren Weyland: I only wear red shoes
[20:12:50] Lauren Weyland: candy apple red
[20:12:54] Lauren Weyland: except to work
[20:13:06] Lauren Weyland: and then I go as ‘one of the people
[20:13:07] Ina Centaur: http://www.footsteps.at/media/schuhe/THE-NIKE-RED.jpg
[20:13:10] Ina Centaur: that’s for you lauren
[20:13:44] Lauren Weyland: not what I wear////I will show you
[20:13:46] Ina Centaur: anyway, though… what is behind the marketing?
[20:14:20] Jordana McMahon: wanting to be like the people who wear them
[20:14:42] Ina Centaur: yes, there’s the creation of want
[20:14:45] Lauren Weyland: there they are
[20:14:53] Lauren Weyland: any one else like to see them
[20:14:53] Ina Centaur: create popularity
[20:14:59] Lauren Weyland: my candy apple red shoes?
[20:15:13] Ina Centaur: (they’re actually more raspberrY)
[20:15:14] Lauren Weyland: Nakaima?
[20:15:25] Nakaima Oh: sorry?
[20:15:46] Lauren Weyland: you need never be sorry …disappointed haa ha (i’m joking)
[20:15:59] Lauren Weyland: dear Jordana?
[20:16:13] Jordana McMahon: pardon?
[20:16:17] Lauren Weyland: ‘Saving Grace?”
[20:16:19] Nakaima Oh: No, I meant I drifted off thinking the red shoe was too pointy and looked like a boat :)\
[20:16:28] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:16:35] Lauren Weyland: lmao
[20:16:41] Lauren Weyland: perfect Nakaimia
[20:16:41] Ina Centaur: so anyway… let’s get back to Nike
[20:16:58] Ina Centaur: Rand would argue that Nike is possible because there’s planning, intelligence behind it… although i don’t think she would approve of its ways
[20:17:07] Ina Centaur: similarly with the pyramids
[20:17:07] Jordana McMahon: ty cool
[20:17:26] Lauren Weyland: how do you think you can get to the pyramids…from Nike?
[20:17:26] Grace McDunnough: /me is back
[20:17:30] Ina Centaur: (also re: pyramids.. although the slaves who build them might complain to each other of the toils they went through… i’d assume that they’re secretly proud they were a part of it)
[20:17:32] Lauren Weyland: becaue of slave labor?
[20:17:47] Lauren Weyland: ok Ina…let’s ask them
[20:17:53] Ina Centaur: NIke vs sweatshops is kinda like the modern version of pyramid-pharohs vs slaves
[20:17:57] Lauren Weyland: the ones who were crused by the stones
[20:18:09] Lauren Weyland: “Hey guys are you happy now?”
[20:18:15] Lauren Weyland: The brooklyn bridge yes
[20:18:20] Lauren Weyland: not the pyramids
[20:18:25] Jordana McMahon: actually I am kinda depressed
[20:18:26] Lauren Weyland: the Hoover dam yes
[20:18:33] Ina Centaur: well, and then we have the track laborers who helped bridge the country’s railroads
[20:18:34] Lauren Weyland: oh why?
[20:18:42] Lauren Weyland: Jordana why?
[20:18:48] Jordana McMahon: talk of slavery
[20:18:51] Ina Centaur: because lauren hasn’t read the book
[20:18:56] Jordana McMahon: no
[20:19:03] Ina Centaur: lol jk ;-
[20:19:10] Lauren Weyland: oh..yes sorry it is depressing….it belongs in the chapter less weforget
[20:19:23] Lauren Weyland: which book?
[20:19:36] Ina Centaur: /me smacks lauren
[20:20:01] Jordana McMahon: laruen you are going to be all bruised
[20:20:18] Lauren Weyland: I know…but then I will build the pyramids
[20:20:27] Ina Centaur: ok, well, the immovable movers are the ones who plan and commission pyramids and Nike. but, they’re born into a world which they must deal with
[20:20:33] Lauren Weyland: and look back happily as Ina says
[20:20:44] Ina Centaur: they also have to work with organizations — multiple minds
[20:20:45] Nakaima Oh: Rand would probably say if you don’t want to be a slave just go somewhere else not realising lots of people have no hwere else to go.
[20:20:46] Lauren Weyland: yeah…no good sex
[20:20:53] Lauren Weyland: that is what they are born into..
[20:20:57] Lauren Weyland: whew..there is a god.
[20:21:10] Lauren Weyland: Nice Nakaima
[20:21:14] Lauren Weyland: yes…good answer
[20:21:21] Lauren Weyland: I like that..though
[20:21:28] Lauren Weyland: it’s what brought freedom
[20:22:06] Ina Centaur: in reality, there are lots of people who would want to work in the sweatshops rather than be jobless (so you argue that it’s mostly children being screwed; but, in Asian countries, if children do not obey their parents, they flogged or hanged or other such horrible corp punishments). also, the value of the dollar is different in other parts of the world. nike is creating wealth.
[20:22:07] Lauren Weyland: wow…great …at the heart…lauren slumps into her chair..and quietly realizes blonds are not havng has much fun
[20:22:24] Ina Centaur: just like how the pyramids created worth — eternal worth.. that they still stand millennia later
[20:22:37] Lauren Weyland: Ok..nice Ina..way to condone cruelty
[20:23:09] Ina Centaur: i’m continuing Nakaima’s line… a lot of people simply don’t have other choices, other than to work in sweatshops
[20:23:09] Lauren Weyland: with bones that still lie underneath to be unearthed
[20:23:14] Lauren Weyland: which are more precious
[20:23:15] Ina Centaur: and note: there are worse things than sweatshops
[20:23:30] Lauren Weyland: her line is right…your line condones it
[20:23:32] Ina Centaur: there are children whose organs are sold because their parents find them useless and need money. etc.
[20:23:37] Lauren Weyland: her line is they have not choice
[20:23:38] Ina Centaur: i’m not saying sweatshops are right in and of themselves
[20:23:46] Lauren Weyland: your line gives those who do it permission
[20:23:53] Ina Centaur: nor am i trying to justify that they’re right because they’re not the worst thing that can happen
[20:24:03] Lauren Weyland: I am really sorry all
[20:24:08] Ina Centaur: i am saying that they are a moderately-evil/moderately-good means to an end
[20:24:10] Ina Centaur:
[20:24:13] Lauren Weyland: and to you especially Jordanna
[20:24:28] Lauren Weyland: because this was not a happy thought…
[20:24:56] Nakaima Oh: But it is a thought that has to come up when reading Rand.
[20:24:58] Jordana McMahon: no but if I don’t think about it I am a slave
[20:25:06] Ina Centaur: it’s not permission, per se
[20:25:16] Lauren Weyland: I must go…I am so sorry..I leave…
[20:25:25] Ina Centaur: -.-
[20:25:30] Lauren Weyland: because tomorrow I must use some slave labor…
[20:25:39] Jordana McMahon: I want to say before you go that this has been a great convo for me
[20:25:40] Lauren Weyland: so they can look back later with a smile
[20:25:42] Nakaima Oh: wear your red shoes:)