[19:10:02] Ina Centaur: well, i guess everyone’s out partying and being un-nerdly on saturday night…
[19:10:08] Ina Centaur: so… we might as well begin our discussion now
[19:10:12] Nakaima Oh: for a moment I thought this might be a telepathy group.:)
[19:10:19] Ina Centaur: chapter 4… the immovable movers
[19:10:37] Ina Centaur: (hehe, was stalling for drama, nak ;-P )
[19:11:01] Ina Centaur: so chapter 4… who do you think are the immovable movers? and … are they really immovable?
[19:11:51] Jordana McMahon: I think Dagny is immovable in this chapter
[19:12:11] Jordana McMahon: Immovable in the sense of strang determined
[19:12:14] Jordana McMahon: strong
[19:12:31] Ina Centaur: and Rearden and Conway?
[19:12:47] Jordana McMahon: I don’t think Conway
[19:12:52] Jordana McMahon: he seems beaten
[19:13:04] Jordana McMahon: reardon yes
[19:13:29] Ina Centaur: what do you think Rand meant by “immovable” ?
[19:14:27] Lauren Weyland: /well francisco is a pompoous ass and so is taggart
[19:14:27] Ina Centaur: (welcome autov)
[19:14:44] Ina Centaur: oh why is F pompous?
[19:14:59] Jordana McMahon: I thought she meant possessing conviction about their direction
[19:15:24] Jordana McMahon: onmovable but unstoppable
[19:15:37] Lauren Weyland: why
[19:15:50] Ina Centaur: yes… even if the world collapses, the heroes would still attempt to go on..
[19:15:54] Lauren Weyland: because he is at the hotel…he knows what has happened in Mexico
[19:16:02] Nakaima Oh: I rhink she really is saying there are certain people who are pillars that everything else revolves around.
[19:16:03] Lauren Weyland: and he knows James was a partner…
[19:16:20] Lauren Weyland: and in a crisis…even though James said he found Francisco a bore
[19:16:40] Lauren Weyland: Francisco as the GP brought everyone in..should not have refused to talk to James
[19:17:18] Jordana McMahon: why id he refuse to talk to James do you think
[19:17:27] Ina Centaur: (hi grace)
[19:17:37] Grace McDunnough: (hello ;-0)
[19:17:45] Jordana McMahon: hi grace
[19:18:23] Ina Centaur: yes, lauren, why do you think F would refuse to talk to J?
[19:18:32] Autov Forder: hi folks. Didin’t mean to intrude, but the idea of a literary discussionin SL seemed fascinating
[19:18:33] Lauren Weyland: well I think Ayn Rand
[19:18:44] Grace McDunnough: Join us Autov
[19:18:47] Ina Centaur: and Nakaima, that’s definitely one way to interpret immovable movers
[19:18:56] Lauren Weyland: actually wanted to show us the clever thought of him turning down James as a bore..when james said it before.
[19:19:10] Autov Forder: I’ll have to wait a moment for things to rezz
[19:19:11] Lauren Weyland: I think it was a moment of Ayn Rand elitist behaviour
[19:20:02] Ina Centaur: well, what do you think of J’s own perspective of F?
[19:20:08] Autov Forder: she does seem rather elitist
[19:20:14] Lauren Weyland: oh…J is pompous too
[19:20:23] Lauren Weyland: they all are….in there way…Hey question
[19:20:26] Ina Centaur: and… the fact that he was never asked to purchase the San Sebastian Mine stocks..
[19:20:34] Ina Centaur: he rather “begged” them off Francisco
[19:20:36] Lauren Weyland: did anyone find it odd that Dabny’s apartment
[19:20:41] Lauren Weyland: was only two rooms?
[19:21:02] Ina Centaur: well, it’s like Rearden’s simplicity in his furniture
[19:21:03] Lauren Weyland: (of course the glass looking like the front of a locomotive was easy)
[19:21:05] Autov Forder: she is a rather straight-forward person
[19:21:18] Ina Centaur: she probably had it custom designed to suit her elegance
[19:21:18] Lauren Weyland: yes …..but no one in power has two rooms
[19:21:23] Lauren Weyland: like a bathroom
[19:21:25] Lauren Weyland: and what room
[19:21:30] Autov Forder: she doesnt’ seem to need the trappings of power and luxury
[19:21:31] Ina Centaur: moreover, it’s the top floor of a major skyscraper
[19:21:54] Lauren Weyland: yes I know that is why she wrote it that way
[19:21:55] Autov Forder: maybe they are very biiiiig rooms!
[19:22:01] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:22:03] Lauren Weyland: but there are no two room penthouses in the world
[19:22:27] Ina Centaur: you can always wipe away the walls it came with and do your own interior design
[19:22:48] Lauren Weyland: maybe each room is 3000 sq feet
[19:23:02] Autov Forder: I should say I read the boo last summer, so I’m ahead in a way, but also not sure just where you are in the story
[19:23:14] Grace McDunnough: Ch 4
[19:23:16] Ina Centaur: we are in chapter 4, autov..
[19:23:20] Ina Centaur: for august 4th
[19:23:34] Ina Centaur: “a chapter a day for each day of august… grand crazy symposium on the 31st on galt’s speech” ;-P
[19:23:45] Grace McDunnough: Ina has cleverly disguised her torture with the days/dates to match the chapters
[19:23:54] Ina Centaur: (the experiment is to see whether there’d be anyone left on the 15th)
[19:23:54] Autov Forder: except I don’t have the book handy. And didn’t memorize all the details like chapter numbers!
[19:24:12] Grace McDunnough: Ina …
[19:24:15] Ina Centaur: yup grace ;-P
[19:24:23] Lauren Weyland: /torture…Ina…..never….
[19:24:26] Ina Centaur: well, here’s a brief plot summary for chapter 4…
[19:24:30] Autov Forder: Matching the chapters to the date is clever
[19:24:40] Jordana McMahon: torture doesn’t seem fair
[19:24:59] Grace McDunnough: Who can read just a chapter a day?
[19:25:09] Ina Centaur: (oh grace but this is ever so fun! not to mention y’all won’t be assigned a letter grade for this.)
[19:25:15] Grace McDunnough: That qualifies as torture, IMHO
[19:25:22] Ina Centaur: oh i wanted to do a book a day… but i think that was pushing it ;-P
[19:25:27] Grace McDunnough: LOL
[19:25:28] Jordana McMahon: lol
[19:25:29] Autov Forder: That would be a challenge -reading at a set pace
[19:25:57] Grace McDunnough: I hated this chapter, by the way
[19:25:58] Lauren Weyland: I want the Letter L ok?
[19:26:06] Lauren Weyland: so did I grace
[19:26:18] Lauren Weyland: omg…someone else who disliked the chapter
[19:26:19] Jordana McMahon: I liked this chapter better than last
[19:26:22] Ina Centaur: summary… Immovable Movers… Dagny wanders through the streets, disgusted and depressed at the state of the world. James is convinced that he’d beat his sister when he reports to the board her treatment of the San Sebestian Mines… but, the SSM’s get nationalized before he gets his triumph
[19:26:58] Ina Centaur: Then James goes ahead and reports to the board that all’s well since *he* had forseen all this and has replaced the SSM diesels with woodburning loco’s etc
[19:27:00] Lauren Weyland: and the contractor has disappeared
[19:27:18] Grace McDunnough: McNamara .. has been assimilated
[19:27:22] Jordana McMahon: the villain gets a ruling past that ruins a competiter
[19:27:26] Ina Centaur: and then, the Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog-Rule gets enacted, and Dan Conway is forced to close down his Phoenix-Durango Line in about 9 months
[19:27:57] Ina Centaur: Dagny attempts to revitalize him, get him to fight… But, Dan realizes this isn’t a fight he can win.
[19:28:30] Grace McDunnough: He chooses not to fight
[19:28:31] Ina Centaur: oh good word, grace ;-P assimilation
[19:28:35] Ina Centaur: resistance is futile, yes!
[19:28:38] Autov Forder: wow - you type fast
[19:28:38] Grace McDunnough:
[19:29:00] Ina Centaur: oh why do you hate this chapter btw?
[19:29:37] Ina Centaur: well.. other than the fact that poor conway gets screwed…
[19:29:44] Ina Centaur: do you hate the events or the presentation?
[19:29:48] Grace McDunnough: It was not well written.
[19:29:59] Grace McDunnough: The pace was poor, it was choppy
[19:30:05] Grace McDunnough: rushed - IMHO
[19:30:08] Lauren Weyland: yes…again I agree with grace
[19:30:10] Ina Centaur: yes, too many parts in the chapter
[19:30:27] Lauren Weyland: wow…I grace…exactly how I felt after a great chapter 3
[19:30:48] Grace McDunnough: And … the name Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog .. ugh that was horrific
[19:30:59] Lauren Weyland: but Nomad is happy
[19:31:06] Jordana McMahon: I agree who would say that
[19:31:10] Ina Centaur: nomad?
[19:31:19] Ina Centaur: the name perfectly summarizes the bill though… and…
[19:31:29] Ina Centaur: also makes it evident that it’s injustice
[19:31:35] Grace McDunnough: Which is why it’swrong
[19:31:35] Lauren Weyland: no one would write a bill like that
[19:31:36] Ina Centaur: unjust, rather
[19:31:41] Lauren Weyland: it would be…dif
[19:31:46] Ina Centaur: it helps you see how messed up the society has become
[19:31:49] Grace McDunnough: It’s a bill enacted by those that don’t speak directly about their actions
[19:32:04] Ina Centaur: that a bunch of people would gather and call themselves the national rarilroad alliance.. then vote to enact which one would die
[19:32:05] Lauren Weyland: here is a thought I had….the book made me think this
[19:32:14] Nakaima Oh: Remember this waspublished n 1957
[19:32:21] Lauren Weyland: Ayn Rand wrote this 50 years ago.
[19:32:32] Ina Centaur: yes, 50th anniversary
[19:32:36] Lauren Weyland: premise is failure…but 50 years later…we are stilll here.
[19:32:45] Lauren Weyland: we have cell phones…
[19:32:48] Ina Centaur: so, incidentally, the Ayn Rand Institute also runs an essay contest on Atlas Shrugged
[19:32:48] Lauren Weyland: SL
[19:32:52] Lauren Weyland: and sex too
[19:33:00] Lauren Weyland: she was wrong
[19:33:06] Ina Centaur: (it’s for college students, however. they’ve raised the price to 10k this year, though.)
[19:33:30] Ina Centaur: oh lauren, but we might be on the verge of failure though…
[19:33:38] Ina Centaur: remember the lights of NY dying away last summer?
[19:33:38] Lauren Weyland: we always are..
[19:33:44] Nakaima Oh: She is still the foundation of certain conservative thought
[19:33:46] Ina Centaur: and SF, w/o electricity for half a day just last month..
[19:33:48] Lauren Weyland: start with the pyramics
[19:33:51] Lauren Weyland: pyramids
[19:33:54] Autov Forder: a balance is needed between the all out capitalism Rand was advocating, and the all out strawman of socialism she was attacking
[19:33:57] Lauren Weyland: they should be demolished
[19:34:11] Lauren Weyland: they were built by the James Taggarts
[19:34:54] Ina Centaur: no, taggart would not have been able to build the pyramids
[19:35:05] Lauren Weyland: yes Ina..his father..
[19:35:08] Lauren Weyland: excuse me
[19:35:11] Grace McDunnough: Indeed .. more like Roark constructions
[19:35:36] Ina Centaur: yes
[19:35:51] Ina Centaur: but why should the pyramids be demolished?
[19:36:56] Ina Centaur: dog eat dog sand dunes?
[19:37:10] Grace McDunnough: /me groans
[19:37:29] Ina Centaur: heh heh
[19:37:57] Autov Forder: I can see that they shoudl never have been built - slave labor used to glorify one man. But now that they exist, there is no reason to destroy them
[19:38:02] Lauren Weyland: why?
[19:38:09] Lauren Weyland: because they were built by slave labor
[19:38:18] Lauren Weyland: they are a monument to the powerful
[19:38:22] Lauren Weyland: not to the labor
[19:38:31] Lauren Weyland: those who died are not memoralized
[19:38:35] Lauren Weyland: the pharohs are
[19:38:50] Ina Centaur: hmm, but would the pyramids have been built with just a bunch of slaves and no pharoh?
[19:38:51] Lauren Weyland: (sorry off track…haa haa…so to railroad speak)
[19:38:51] Nakaima Oh: Now aren’t they just a feature of the planet?
[19:39:13] Lauren Weyland: /we have done alot her in America withut slaves…lately
[19:39:23] Ina Centaur: well, i think the pyramids are on track
[19:39:30] Ina Centaur: slightly off tangent, but i can see where it relates
[19:39:36] Ina Centaur: so i’m curious on exploring the subject a slight bit more..
[19:39:53] Ina Centaur: so… suppose there were never pharohs… and slaves could just do whatever…
[19:39:57] Autov Forder: most great monuments are not “practial” and were built by questionable labor practices
[19:40:02] Ina Centaur: do you think the pyramids — or buildings of the same caliber — would ever have resulted?
[19:40:11] Autov Forder: there is always a need to leaders to guide the masses
[19:40:11] Lauren Weyland: no
[19:40:16] Autov Forder: people with vision
[19:40:17] Lauren Weyland: but doesn’t matter
[19:40:46] Lauren Weyland: do you think the promiscuity of Claudius resulted in Da Vinci and therefore is commendable?
[19:40:46] Ina Centaur: doesn’t matter, lauren?
[19:40:58] Lauren Weyland: (eekes..I’ll shut up)
[19:41:03] Ina Centaur: how does Claudius relate to da Vinci?
[19:41:22] Autov Forder: i was wondering that too
[19:41:28] Lauren Weyland: hey…who knows…could be his …great greast….something…call Dan Brown and ask him
[19:41:53] Lauren Weyland: just mean….the means doesn’t justify the middle or the end
[19:41:59] Lauren Weyland: not matter how beautiful
[19:42:19] Lauren Weyland: American Slavery was shit
[19:42:37] Lauren Weyland: look how wonderful black America is….and has been…
[19:42:38] Ina Centaur: well, what do you think of the source of cheap consumer goods?
[19:42:41] Lauren Weyland: sorry
[19:42:46] Autov Forder: perhaps it is like evolution - humanity needs adversity to grow and evolve
[19:42:52] Lauren Weyland: to keep us from rebeling
[19:43:04] Autov Forder: it needs “mutations” in the form of people with vision
[19:43:28] Autov Forder: the mutations are not always advantageous
[19:43:44] Autov Forder: but occasionally a good “mutation” will come along
[19:44:08] Lauren Weyland: Ok…well call up Darwin…
[19:45:08] Ina Centaur: (hi vajra)
[19:45:09] Nakaima Oh: I think Rand is saying there really are superior people and we should leave them alone to build their railroads. It’s all very trickle down.
[19:45:23] Lauren Weyland: I think all the stuff made by slave labor
[19:45:36] Lauren Weyland: should be given to the rrightful heirs to do as they please
[19:45:52] Lauren Weyland: I am sorry if I offend anyone..but I am adamant on this
[19:45:56] Ina Centaur: who are the rightful heirs, lauren?
[19:46:10] Lauren Weyland: I love all the various races and thoughts of good in our world
[19:46:13] Ina Centaur: yes nakaima, the wealth can be trickle down
[19:46:13] Vajra Raymaker: Hi Ina
[19:46:19] Vajra Raymaker: and all
[19:46:19] Lauren Weyland: without them all we would eat chicken one way
[19:46:22] Lauren Weyland: boiled
[19:46:31] Ina Centaur: the heroes would create something, and then thousands would benefit, in their own ways… whether harmful or not..
[19:46:35] Grace McDunnough: /me was thinking fried …
[19:46:40] Lauren Weyland: the wealth seems more to tickle down
[19:46:44] Autov Forder: but there is also a fine line - the leader who “exploits” slave labor may in the long run improve the overall situation
[19:47:02] Lauren Weyland: now…Bill gates…Steve Jobs..they earn there keep
[19:47:05] Ina Centaur: (KFC is an int’l phenomenon)
[19:47:07] Lauren Weyland: Larry Ellison is a jerk
[19:47:08] Nakaima Oh: Nothing really ever trickles down.
[19:47:18] Ina Centaur: well, let’s take Edison…
[19:47:22] Ina Centaur: he invents the lightbulb…
[19:47:23] Autov Forder: it ther ewas no concentration of power and welth, many advances would never happen
[19:47:24] Ina Centaur: and boom…
[19:47:30] Ina Centaur: we have sirens, police car stuff, street lamps
[19:47:35] Lauren Weyland: yes I agree Autov
[19:47:43] Ina Centaur: thousands of companies get the benefit of Edison’s lightbul
[19:47:43] Ina Centaur: b
[19:47:55] Ina Centaur: trickle trickle, nakaima
[19:47:55] Autov Forder: it is not a “zero sum game”
[19:47:56] Lauren Weyland: yes
[19:48:07] Lauren Weyland: Ina…where do you think you are going with Edison?
[19:48:20] Jordana McMahon: everyone should have the opportunity to become great
[19:48:25] Ina Centaur: lauren, edison was just in reply to nakaima on trickle-down
[19:48:30] Lauren Weyland: I think bright, risk takers who are right should inherit
[19:48:31] Grace McDunnough: I think she’s trying to shed some light …
[19:48:38] Autov Forder: the idea of “all boats rise with the tide” seems apropos here
[19:48:40] Jordana McMahon: lol
[19:48:43] Ina Centaur: oh punny grace
[19:48:46] Ina Centaur: /me smacks grace >.<
[19:48:49] Lauren Weyland: I think dull laggards who inherit and do little should be stripped
[19:48:53] Grace McDunnough: /me hangs her head
[19:49:06] Lauren Weyland: haa ha Grace..
[19:49:18] Lauren Weyland: just read that…I THINK GRACE IS GREAT tonight
[19:49:30] Autov Forder: the fruits of Edison’s work (and the work of others) has helped everyone
[19:49:30] Lauren Weyland: Let her say Grace
[19:49:42] Lauren Weyland: so what…it wasn’t done with slavery
[19:49:53] Lauren Weyland: and Taggart sees them all as slaves
[19:49:57] Grace McDunnough: So Lauren .. given that Rand thinks that there is no greatness without great sacrifice and .. that selfishness isa virtue .. how would she interpret slavery
[19:50:13] Lauren Weyland: not important whether they are or not. Important how the impotent lead us to disgrace.
[19:50:20] Lauren Weyland: Check the stock market on friday
[19:51:07] Ina Centaur: black friday?
[19:51:38] Lauren Weyland: no..last friday..all known Dec 2005 that the James Taggarts would produce another San Sebastian Line
[19:52:01] Ina Centaur: ?
[19:52:10] Lauren Weyland: yet….they don’t care…and they will only go to Miss to catch a Ebbers..and never to where the source is
[19:52:17] Lauren Weyland: Hank Reardon is kewl
[19:52:21] Lauren Weyland: he’s the real thing
[19:52:27] Lauren Weyland: Dabny is kewl
[19:52:31] Lauren Weyland: she is the real thing
[19:52:37] Lauren Weyland: Doesn’t matter man or woman
[19:52:44] Lauren Weyland: matters what you are deep
[19:52:52] Lauren Weyland: sorry
[19:52:58] Lauren Weyland: ooops…Ina slap me
[19:53:28] Lauren Weyland: just us girls left
[19:53:31] Nakaima Oh: These are the Rand ideal people.
[19:53:50] Grace McDunnough: Oh .. we lost … um .. Autov
[19:53:53] Lauren Weyland: ha and we are all in voice too
[19:54:13] Lauren Weyland: yeah..I scared him…a loud woman..ranting…he ran
[19:54:14] Jordana McMahon: my voice isn’t working I don’t think
[19:54:23] Grace McDunnough: Voice is wonky today
[19:54:37] Lauren Weyland: yeah…my voice seems deeper then usual
[19:54:40] Nakaima Oh: No vocice for me yet either
[19:55:05] Lauren Weyland: Ina is gone too?
[19:55:06] Ina Centaur: yeah, ideally we could have this discussion via text chat
[19:55:22] Ina Centaur: i notified a few objectivist mailing lists on this… dunno if they’re following along or might join in
[19:55:23] Lauren Weyland: sorry ina…
[19:55:30] Ina Centaur: oh i’m here.
[19:55:36] Grace McDunnough: Otherwise .. the SLchatr is on radio silence
[19:55:43] Ina Centaur: so anyway, we were talking about the pyramids
[19:55:46] Lauren Weyland: i came in on the ‘radical’ list
[19:55:47] Ina Centaur: slave labor
[19:56:00] Ina Centaur: should all things created by slaves be demolished?
[19:56:09] Lauren Weyland: the pyramids..no dif then the San Sabastian line
[19:56:11] Ina Centaur: and.. would that have wasted the lives of the slaves who died creating it?
[19:56:14] Lauren Weyland: just better material
[19:56:25] Ina Centaur: SSL wasn’t via slave labor though
[19:56:26] Nakaima Oh: Well, aren’t we saying destroy history then?
[19:56:28] Jordana McMahon: I think so Ina
[19:56:32] Lauren Weyland: lead to nowhere…but pompousness
[19:56:42] Lauren Weyland: YES>>>>>>>>a lot of it
[19:56:52] Lauren Weyland: shorten history to less chapters
[19:57:01] Jordana McMahon: whether they wanted to or not the work of slaves may be amazing
[19:57:03] Ina Centaur: so… we should destroy the white house, as well, i gather?
[19:57:04] Nakaima Oh: if we forget we might do it again
[19:57:09] Lauren Weyland: leave out the pyramids..and let in Genghis Khan
[19:57:22] Ina Centaur: let’s see… most of the 7 great wonders of the world
[19:57:28] Ina Centaur: stonehenge as well, i gather
[19:57:30] Jordana McMahon: if we destroy their work we might forget
[19:57:32] Lauren Weyland: ok..one Chapter
[19:57:36] Ina Centaur: have to turn it into the pebbles range
[19:57:39] Lauren Weyland: Less we Forget title
[19:58:04] Lauren Weyland: so what…let’s build the new 7 wonders with people like us
[19:58:15] Lauren Weyland: we can….we will…Dabny and Hank did
[19:58:20] Ina Centaur: yes, and then we’d have to worry about funding
[19:58:25] Ina Centaur: and finding competent people
[19:58:37] Ina Centaur: and placating the angry historians
[19:58:44] Lauren Weyland: that’s the gist of Atlas Shrugged….
[19:58:50] Ina Centaur: and risk world war
[19:58:50] Lauren Weyland: the continuation of incomptency
[19:59:00] Lauren Weyland: over the value of truth and objectivity
[19:59:07] Ina Centaur: /me smacks Lauren
[19:59:15] Ina Centaur: ok defend your assertion.
[19:59:20] Jordana McMahon: oops
[19:59:29] Grace McDunnough: /me gets some popcorn
[19:59:45] Lauren Weyland: ok….James..and his cronies….are incompetents
[20:00:04] Ina Centaur: dagny and her ponies… are competents
[20:00:07] Lauren Weyland: bent of continuing their incompentacy and are prob loved by their wives and mothers
[20:00:16] Jordana McMahon: ponies
[20:00:18] Lauren Weyland: at least james is loved by his wife. Chapter 4
[20:00:32] Lauren Weyland: Hank and Dabny are outcasts…
[20:00:32] Ina Centaur: bent of continuing their competency and are prob loved by their fellow ponies
[20:00:40] Lauren Weyland: but without them…all would fail
[20:00:47] Lauren Weyland: to build the pyramids or not
[20:00:50] Ina Centaur: james isn’t married, lauren…
[20:00:51] Lauren Weyland: that is not the question
[20:00:57] Ina Centaur: betty is just some girl he had some one night stand with
[20:01:06] Lauren Weyland: ok….well someone is in Chapter 4 and she is nice to him
[20:01:14] Ina Centaur: oh, is she nice?
[20:01:14] Lauren Weyland: ok….
[20:01:27] Lauren Weyland: I can’t remember…the vodka is kicking in
[20:01:44] Jordana McMahon: she wants to have sish kabob for dinner
[20:01:54] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:01:58] Lauren Weyland: ok Grace…let me ask you
[20:02:03] Ina Centaur: yes but she also insults him a bit, and his work as well
[20:02:07] Ina Centaur: sorta calls him a sissy
[20:02:11] Lauren Weyland: the smartest one tonight of all (sorry everyone else)
[20:02:21] Grace McDunnough: eek
[20:02:41] Lauren Weyland: what do you think…should we idolize the golden calf or not….ie. pyramids
[20:03:31] Lauren Weyland: ha…didn’t leave you much room in that question to wiggle
[20:04:04] Grace McDunnough: Frankly, no great thing is accomplished without leadership .. and those that play the “slave” role .. I’m not condoning slavery, but there are a vast array of people that are skilled, and that prefer to simply execute, frankly, rather than think or even rebel against inhumaity
[20:04:22] Lauren Weyland: I agree Grace
[20:04:25] Grace McDunnough: it is this equation that serves the greater good
[20:04:32] Lauren Weyland: and they don’t need to be paid much
[20:04:38] Lauren Weyland: nor do they need health care
[20:04:45] Lauren Weyland: but they do deserve to be free
[20:05:10] Lauren Weyland: (grace you may kick me later…I will understand)
[20:05:11] Grace McDunnough: Agreed, but in my mind, if you are not thinking, you are indeed .. not free
[20:05:23] Lauren Weyland: OMG…Grace is our leader
[20:05:44] Lauren Weyland: you are very right grace….crap…I concede and kill myself for lack of thought
[20:05:50] Ina Centaur: yes… yes she is
[20:05:58] Ina Centaur: please think harder, lauren
[20:05:59] Grace McDunnough: LOL nah, just go build me a pyramid
[20:06:10] Lauren Weyland: ys ma’am
[20:06:15] Grace McDunnough: /me giggles
[20:06:16] Lauren Weyland: how many cubits?
[20:07:02] Grace McDunnough: OK I have to take a short break, please excuse me .. brb