[19:35:07] Aaron Jung: Ina crashed
[19:35:25] ToryLynn Writer: yup
[19:35:39] ToryLynn Writer: Rearden’s mother.. yeah,.,she sounds like my mom
[19:35:47] Grace McDunnough: Yikes
[19:35:58] Lauren Weyland: /we need to rename the word ‘crash’
[19:36:00] Aaron Jung: Reardens mother needs to be stripped down, dressed into rags and thrown into the street.
[19:36:07] Lauren Weyland: /something nicer
[19:36:22] Lauren Weyland: /gosh aaron…that is hostile
[19:36:29] Lauren Weyland: /an old age home would do
[19:36:44] Lauren Weyland: /that’s where Ina is going to send me soon
[19:36:45] Aaron Jung: /yeah, my mom is like that too
[19:36:52] Aaron Jung: /old age home is for nice people
[19:36:57] Aaron Jung: /should be
[19:37:06] Lauren Weyland: /my mom’s dead….she committed suicide
[19:37:10] ToryLynn Writer: she has gotten rather comfortable in her affluence
[19:37:11] Aaron Jung: wb Ina
[19:37:31] Lauren Weyland: was Ina gone?
[19:37:48] ToryLynn Writer: welcome backIna
[19:38:32] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:38:44] Ina Centaur: sorry. crashed and had one of those ‘can’t log in for 5 minutes’ notices
[19:39:02] Ina Centaur: eh..
[19:39:09] Lauren Weyland: yeah..well not one told me how I was dressed…eeekees
[19:39:20] Aaron Jung: cheaply.
[19:39:21] Aaron Jung: i like it.
[19:39:28] Aaron Jung:
[19:39:49] Ina Centaur: ah, why is 38 an important judaic number?
[19:40:05] Ina Centaur: (great thing about the slchatr… even if i crash, i can still tune into the chat ;P)
[19:40:53] Lauren Weyland: need to google it
[19:41:02] Lauren Weyland: like deux ex machina
[19:41:06] Aaron Jung: :))
[19:41:11] Ina Centaur: summarize it for us?
[19:41:42] Lauren Weyland: I can’t…I googled Atlas Shrugged last week and there was some article explaing that
[19:41:58] Lauren Weyland: a prereading reading thought…I’ll go find it and be back
[19:42:50] Ina Centaur: ok…
[19:43:20] ToryLynn Writer: (Hello Brubeck, you don’t have to sit int he corner)
[19:43:50] Brubeck Panacek: hi everyone… I don’t want to interrupt
[19:43:53] Ina Centaur: ah, when did snow evaporate btw?
[19:43:56] Ina Centaur: (hi brubeck)
[19:44:19] Lauren Weyland: can’t look now..will get it for next session
[19:44:59] ToryLynn Writer: I’m trying to review my notes I made..
[19:45:37] Ina Centaur: ok.. well, i guess we’ll go back to… Larkin?
[19:45:54] ToryLynn Writer: I had to go back and check and make sure that the Larkin mentioned was the same one from chapter 2..
[19:45:57] Ina Centaur: why do you think Larkin was the only ‘good guy’ there?
[19:46:14] ToryLynn Writer: Im not so sure he’s a good guy
[19:46:25] Ina Centaur: (yup, Larkin is the anemic biz person who seems to cling onto Rearden for support… asks for loans, repays late, but repays.)
[19:46:55] Ina Centaur: oh, i don’t think he’s good either. he’s broke and seems about ready to break a certain other person…
[19:47:03] Ina Centaur: ;-P
[19:47:09] Lauren Weyland: /but larkin is the only one in that meeting that cares about anyone
[19:47:28] Ina Centaur: but then, everyone in that meeting cared about *everyone* ;-P
[19:47:33] Ina Centaur: it’s for the “good of the people”
[19:47:33] Aaron Jung: i did not get an impression he was ‘good’ either- didnt’ he try to trip out Rearden on those gossips?
[19:47:35] Lauren Weyland: /and earlier…it alludes to what you said Ina…but also leaves possibilities of larkin being more
[19:47:41] ToryLynn Writer: I just think that anybody willing to sacrifice a friend fo the “good of the people” isn’t a true friend
[19:47:41] Ina Centaur: the act of helping Mexico’s economy, that is
[19:48:19] Ina Centaur: true point, tory
[19:48:38] Lauren Weyland: Larkin concedes to power
[19:48:42] Lauren Weyland: but for a moment he is more
[19:48:49] Ina Centaur: and, in this case, Rearden is actually someone whom everyone depends on… he’s the only guy who’s running a steel mill that still produces, etc.
[19:49:06] ToryLynn Writer: I dont understand why Taggart is so intersted in giving handouts to Mexico when his own railroad is falling apart
[19:49:06] Ina Centaur: concedes to power?
[19:49:14] Ina Centaur: (hi sarah; hi aimstar)
[19:49:26] Sarah Fouquet: Thanks, Hello everyone
[19:49:35] Aimstar Noel: hi ina
[19:49:58] Lauren Weyland: /Paul larkin turns when Taggart, “Unexpectedly…turns to him for Larkin to bend to the will of all
[19:50:01] Aaron Jung: Perhaps Tagart doesn’t care, since he got into his position through public relations, while the girl worked her way up
[19:50:51] Ina Centaur: (hi dagny!)
[19:50:57] Dagny Franciosa: (( hiya ))
[19:51:02] ToryLynn Writer: that is a point.. I doubt that
[19:51:16] ToryLynn Writer: ….. could walk his track and name half the parts
[19:51:26] Lauren Weyland: /wwell Larkin states a truth that is turned
[19:51:28] Ina Centaur: aaron, actually Taggart inherited the company.
[19:51:43] Lauren Weyland: /the reason for ore problem is the industry is crumbling
[19:51:58] Ina Centaur: (newcomers — check out http://atlasshrugged.inacentaur.com for more details… this is basically a readathon/discussion of Atlas Shrugged, a chapter a day for each day of Aug)
[19:52:04] Lauren Weyland: /but the rest cahoots not to care about that but instead their own piece of pie
[19:52:08] Aaron Jung: i thought he got it yes, but till he got it didn’t he work in public relations?
[19:52:40] Lauren Weyland: /yes.. Aaron…he was almost there. A loser who is trapped between the desire to be and the morality he was
[19:52:41] Aaron Jung: as opposed to Dagny, who worked nights for several years while in college…
[19:52:46] Ina Centaur: oh interesting point, Lauren…
[19:52:54] Dagny Franciosa: ; )
[19:52:56] ToryLynn Writer: I’m waiting for them to get the law passed that Rearden has to give them (not sell them) the ore as a “fair resources” law
[19:53:20] Ina Centaur: hmm but i think it was Orren Boyle who said the problem had to do with ore
[19:53:31] Lauren Weyland: /yes torylynn
[19:53:45] Jordana McMahon: the iron ore was not available
[19:53:56] Lauren Weyland: /yes…it’s so evident..I’m waiting for Ted Kennedy, Hillary, etc..to jump up and take it all
[19:54:04] Jordana McMahon: only to Rearden right
[19:54:06] Aaron Jung: lol
[19:54:17] Lauren Weyland: /but then again they are right about one thing
[19:54:29] Lauren Weyland: /we don’t own anything in life…we are only stewards
[19:54:37] Aaron Jung: i loved that one
[19:54:39] Aaron Jung: LOVED IT
[19:54:46] Aaron Jung: how very…communist
[19:54:46] Aaron Jung: lol
[19:54:46] Ina Centaur: lauren, i don’t follow… o_O
[19:54:55] Lauren Weyland: /but they state that truth to give them the right to take…as they laugh about Mexico
[19:55:08] ToryLynn Writer: this novel.. the way it shapes my opinions at this point seems so…. republican.. that I nearly hate myself
[19:55:17] Lauren Weyland: /ok….at one point the men say…the ore belongs to society
[19:55:33] Lauren Weyland: .and it is only fair to keep several iron factory companies going
[19:55:57] Lauren Weyland: and since Reardon has the only ore…rather then dig for more..or look…instead let us nationalize Readens ore
[19:56:07] Lauren Weyland: and then we can make steel and profits
[19:56:19] Lauren Weyland: unlike Mexico which is totally nationalized
[19:56:23] Dagny Franciosa: no pun intended…steal
[19:56:24] Lauren Weyland: except for the copper mine
[19:56:29] Lauren Weyland: and the rail track
[19:56:42] Lauren Weyland: /nice Dagny
[19:56:50] Lauren Weyland: /and what a great name
[19:56:57] Ina Centaur: / steal the steel
[19:56:59] Dagny Franciosa: : ) i lub dagny
[19:57:01] Lauren Weyland: /two names in the 3rd chapter together
[19:57:05] Ina Centaur: / yes, Dagny Francisco = bff? ;-P
[19:57:14] ToryLynn Writer: if they nationalize Rearden’s ore plant.. it would be like..the complete hypocritism… or something..irony at least
[19:57:15] Dagny Franciosa: /taggart was gone
[19:57:29] Dagny Franciosa: /so was reardon : P
[19:57:54] Lauren Weyland: /dagny and Fransciso d’Anconia..our Dagny Franciosa
[19:57:55] Ina Centaur: well tory, it’s interesting to note the way Orren was introduced
[19:58:01] Dagny Franciosa: oui!
[19:58:01] Lauren Weyland: /an alt?
[19:58:15] Dagny Franciosa: /me …was, but is now my primary
[19:58:17] Ina Centaur: he’s supposedly pro free-economy… but… he got to his place by mooching on a bunch of small companies
[19:58:28] ToryLynn Writer: I see Dagny d’Aconia = love
[19:58:45] Dagny Franciosa: / mmm haven’t read the whole book yet eh tory?
[19:58:51] Ina Centaur: (hint: that’s actually a past affair.)
[19:59:00] ToryLynn Writer: no.. I got up t chapter 4
[19:59:01] Lauren Weyland: /it’s in chapter 3
[19:59:05] Lauren Weyland: when she was 14
[19:59:10] Lauren Weyland: she had sex with him
[19:59:11] Ina Centaur: ( ;-P … again, aaron… don’t get bored yet. this is actually also an epic romance.)
[19:59:16] Dagny Franciosa: / better love affair to come
[19:59:21] Aaron Jung: lol
[19:59:21] Lauren Weyland: /but he wasn’t very good…
[19:59:22] Grace McDunnough: much …
[19:59:30] Dagny Franciosa: very steamy
[19:59:30] Lauren Weyland: /so she moved on to listening to music
[19:59:31] Aaron Jung: no i am not bored
[19:59:41] Ina Centaur: /me smacks lauren
[19:59:44] ToryLynn Writer: hehe.. I don’t want any spoilers.. but.. is it Rearden?
[19:59:49] Dagny Franciosa: no tellin
[19:59:55] Ina Centaur: oh Rearden just might be another guy ;-P
[19:59:58] ToryLynn Writer: I think they’re good for each other.. both very much the same…
[20:00:05] Dagny Franciosa: /me nods
[20:00:10] Lauren Weyland: /lmao
[20:00:12] ToryLynn Writer: and I think Dagny would have TOTALLY gotten the bracelet symbolism and loved it
[20:00:25] Dagny Franciosa: homg she would have , yes
[20:00:32] Dagny Franciosa: his stupid wife though, gah
[20:00:45] Grace McDunnough: Heh … he would not have had to bring home a bracelet for Dagny
[20:00:53] Dagny Franciosa: but he would have
[20:01:03] ToryLynn Writer: she would have been there watching the steel get poured
[20:01:12] ToryLynn Writer: or she would have designed it herself
[20:01:14] Dagny Franciosa: because it symbolizes him , it’s a part of him
[20:01:21] Dagny Franciosa: you might be suprised Tory
[20:01:25] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:01:36] Ina Centaur: yes, we’d see the chain come back as a major motif in a later chapter
[20:01:43] Ina Centaur: hint, it’d happen on Dec 10 ;-P
[20:01:45] Lauren Weyland: /I must go again now all…sorry
[20:01:52] Lauren Weyland: anniversary
[20:01:52] ToryLynn Writer: I figured.. he made such a big deal out of it
[20:02:00] Grace McDunnough: TC Lauren
[20:02:05] Lauren Weyland: /but Reardon gave her the 9th,10th or 11th
[20:02:06] ToryLynn Writer: OOH… I only read chapter 2 this morning…
[20:02:07] Lauren Weyland: haa haa
[20:02:16] Ina Centaur: tc lauren.
[20:02:26] ToryLynn Writer: No, she gave him the 9, 10, 11 to see if he would remember thier anniverary
[20:02:40] ToryLynn Writer: and I got so mad that he forgot.. so work obsessed
[20:02:46] ToryLynn Writer: ok.. need water.. brb
[20:02:49] Lauren Weyland: you are all wonderful..especially you Ina
[20:02:55] Ina Centaur: tory, do you think Lillian is a villain, hero, or everyman?
[20:03:04] Ina Centaur: *every(w)oman rather >.<
[20:03:15] Dagny Franciosa: i dunno, i understand that sort of passion that hank has for his creation, his wife should lighten up
[20:03:45] Grace McDunnough: If she ligtens up, she has no purpose
[20:03:50] Jordana McMahon: she can’t be a hero
[20:03:51] Dagny Franciosa: she has no purpose
[20:04:04] Dagny Franciosa: she mouches off him and nags the hell outta him
[20:04:08] Grace McDunnough: She must juxtapose …
[20:04:13] Ina Centaur: good point, grace.
[20:04:14] Dagny Franciosa: puritanical bish
[20:04:39] Ina Centaur: puritanical.. whoM? o_O
[20:04:44] Grace McDunnough: lol
[20:04:48] Dagny Franciosa: hanks wife
[20:04:50] ToryLynn Writer: Lillian.. I dunno.. she doesn’t seem quite malicious enough to be a villian
[20:05:18] ToryLynn Writer: but I dont see her as a hero either.. so I guess she would fall into everyman
[20:06:30] Ina Centaur: you might find something different if you notice the way Lillian responds… and is described visually by Rand.
[20:06:44] Ina Centaur: but true, Lillian does appear harmless
[20:06:49] Ina Centaur: she’s great at maskwearing
[20:07:17] Dagny Franciosa: what chapter are you all on
[20:07:29] Grace McDunnough: We just finished 3
[20:07:31] Dagny Franciosa: excuse my glitches -.0
[20:07:32] Ina Centaur: today is 8/3 … we are discussing chapter 3
[20:07:41] ToryLynn Writer: /me turns back to 2
[20:07:47] Ina Centaur: a chapter a day for each day of August… and 31st = all day symposium on Galt’s Speech?
[20:07:55] Dagny Franciosa: wow
[20:07:59] Ina Centaur: … the *uber* dissection of the sensational 2 hour speech
[20:08:01] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:08:04] ToryLynn Writer: Oooh..
[20:08:10] Dagny Franciosa: i need to reread i think
[20:08:21] ToryLynn Writer: he says that she looks.. empirical… graceful..
[20:08:36] Ina Centaur: but what happens when she turns full figure?
[20:08:41] Dagny Franciosa: /me tries to remember chapter three
[20:08:44] ToryLynn Writer: at least.. from the side.. from straight on.. she is empty.. expressionless and ugly…
[20:08:45] Ina Centaur: something about her face…
[20:09:11] Ina Centaur: (Rand typically makes appearances a big thing in defining her villains/heroes… even though Rand herself kinda looks villainly-grinchly… o_O )
[20:09:22] Dagny Franciosa: she’s dead inside, she can’t fulfill herself, thus she can’t fulfill his needs
[20:09:28] ToryLynn Writer: “Her face was not beautiful. They eys were the flaw: They wer vageuly pale, neither quit gray nor brown, lfeflessly empty of expresion”
[20:09:31] ToryLynn Writer: /me shudders
[20:09:35] ToryLynn Writer: makes me think of Manson
[20:09:54] Ina Centaur: (hi Noumenal)
[20:10:02] Noumenal Seesaw: hi
[20:10:24] Ina Centaur: yes, precisely, tory
[20:10:29] ToryLynn Writer: (pg 33 btw)
[20:10:56] Ina Centaur: and, to bring up the topic of… focus/non-equivocation
[20:11:21] Ina Centaur: Rand doesn’t like uncertainty…
[20:11:29] Aaron Jung: /bye all, i have to scoot- pleasure see ya soon
[20:11:38] Grace McDunnough: Bye Aaron
[20:11:40] Ina Centaur: then again, i think Lillian knows exactly what she’s doing
[20:11:41] ToryLynn Writer: bye Aaron.. thanks for the talking
[20:11:43] Noumenal Seesaw: bye
[20:11:45] Ina Centaur: / ta aaron
[20:11:47] Jordana McMahon: bye aaron
[20:12:24] ToryLynn Writer: she seems to be calculating.. every comment is to bring out some sort of way for her to insult her husband
[20:12:49] Ina Centaur: exactly
[20:12:53] Dagny Franciosa: aye, which is intersting , because without him, she’s nothing
[20:13:33] Dagny Franciosa: she has a name and rides that, but she hasn’t done anything personally to contribute to society