[19:00:18] Ina Centaur: well, it’s 8PM… so let’s begin chapter 3’s discussion
[19:00:21] Ina Centaur: The Top and the Bottom
[19:00:39] ToryLynn Writer: Well.. you definitely see both sides…
[19:00:50] ToryLynn Writer: but then.. you have to decipher who is top and who is bottom
[19:01:05] Ina Centaur: yes, who do you think is the top… and the bottom ;-P
[19:01:14] Ina Centaur: (hi grace)
[19:01:18] Grace McDunnough: ‘allo
[19:01:23] ToryLynn Writer: Well.. James Taggert certainly seems to THINK he’s a top
[19:01:35] Aaron Jung: he is gay
[19:01:42] Lauren Weyland: I think only Larkin has a heart
[19:01:48] ToryLynn Writer: ok… that didn’t come out right
[19:01:51] Lauren Weyland: so he doesn’t have to go to Oz
[19:01:53] Aaron Jung:
[19:02:14] Lauren Weyland: /and taggart is a jerk….to the waiter…etc…
[19:02:16] Ina Centaur: well, it’s interesting to note that the top of the tower feels like a cellar…
[19:02:25] Snow Woodget: The first manifestation of that theme was in the club itself. The bar atop the great building, made out as if it were some sort of ugly cellar.
[19:02:26] Snow Woodget: Right
[19:02:28] Lauren Weyland: /yes Ina..why is that?
[19:02:28] Ina Centaur: and the basemenet cafetaria feels like some place with spacious skies
[19:02:36] Ina Centaur: yup, snow
[19:02:37] Lauren Weyland: /s
[19:02:51] Snow Woodget: /me laughs, “I don’t think that factors into this one”
[19:02:53] Leslye Writer: in here and then upstairs. I have not done the reading so I am not going.
[19:02:53] Lauren Weyland: /ayn rand talking s
[19:03:03] Lauren Weyland: /sure….she was into s
[19:03:05] Fleche Xeno: thank you ma’am.
[19:03:07] Lauren Weyland: didn’t you know that?
[19:03:13] Fleche Xeno: I remember it from…my misspent youth
[19:03:17] Fleche Xeno: so it’ll be interesting
[19:03:20] Ina Centaur: (hi fleche)
[19:03:24] Fleche Xeno: hi Ina
[19:03:39] Leslye Writer: enjoy your conversation, Fleche
[19:03:44] Fleche Xeno: again, thank you for your direction, I’m thy servant.
[19:03:44] Ina Centaur: oh lauren, rand’s sex life and theory of love is a whole other convo
[19:03:51] Aaron Jung: i chewed up all 3 chapters today and everyone i the book seems bloody depressed
[19:03:59] ToryLynn Writer: I think that the moods reflected in these places.. is… interesting
[19:04:05] Ina Centaur: we’d get to that in chapter 7 or so… when we get dagny’s flashback
[19:04:12] Lauren Weyland: /why wouldn’t she include it in her book…like software writers do
[19:04:13] ToryLynn Writer: and I couldn’t hate a character more than I hate taggart.
[19:04:23] Ina Centaur: (hi leslye)
[19:04:45] Ina Centaur: oh yes, what happens on top of the tower is rather sinister
[19:04:50] Lauren Weyland: /yes..I agree with you ToryLynn he is spineless, arrogant and not smart
[19:04:58] Lauren Weyland: /good thing he had a sister
[19:05:06] Ina Centaur: you have these so-called “half-formed thoughts”… no one is willing to state the action they’re agreeing to
[19:05:11] Lauren Weyland: /yay for women
[19:05:22] Fleche Xeno: atlas shrugged?
[19:05:23] Lauren Weyland: /ok…here it is
[19:05:39] Lauren Weyland: /a bunch of old farts believe in charisma of one man
[19:05:49] Lauren Weyland: /and it takes a woman to know the truth
[19:05:51] Ina Centaur: (yes, Fleche, we are discussing Chapter 3 of Atlas Shrugged)
[19:06:03] Ina Centaur: (we are doing a chapter-a-day-for-each-day-of-August ;-P )
[19:06:38] ToryLynn Writer: I just.. I feel so bad for Rearden…
[19:06:40] Lauren Weyland: /and I like Eddie too
[19:06:47] Lauren Weyland: /and the newspaper man
[19:06:59] Ina Centaur: the cigarette seller?
[19:07:04] Aaron Jung: Miss taggart needs to get laid badly, ole metal guy is a submissive, his mother is a bitch, taggart is likely gay, everyone is depressed and I like the cigarette guy……
[19:07:11] Ina Centaur: yes he’s curious
[19:07:13] ToryLynn Writer: and that’s odd.. because.. he has the characteristics of someone I would HATE in real life.. but… he seems like such a sympathetic character.. even though he’s concieted and materialistic
[19:07:15] Lauren Weyland: /yes and cigs were good for your health back then
[19:07:30] Lauren Weyland: /yes torylynn well put
[19:07:34] ToryLynn Writer: true..
[19:07:45] Ina Centaur: (actually, i think they were… before all these other crap was put into them.)
[19:07:50] ToryLynn Writer: I like Eddie a lot too
[19:07:52] Lauren Weyland: /aaron..just read…lmao
[19:08:07] Ina Centaur: (kinda like the street drug scene… pure drugs don’t typically contain all the crap you find all the streets)
[19:08:15] Aaron Jung: Hey! that is my impression of 1st 3 chapters…
[19:08:15] Lauren Weyland: /i’d do the cig guy for some unusual cigs
[19:08:27] Fleche Xeno: okay, folks, I’m sorry interupted twice. I got the foundtain head and atlas shrugged mixed up My apology
[19:08:27] ToryLynn Writer: it sort of makes me wonder who the guy he’s talking to at the end of the chapter is though
[19:08:44] Fleche Xeno: take care
[19:08:51] Grace McDunnough: Cheers Fleche
[19:08:58] ToryLynn Writer: come back when you’ve read Atlas Shrugged Fleche
[19:09:02] Ina Centaur: tc fleche
[19:09:03] ToryLynn Writer: we’ll be glad to have you
[19:09:08] Fleche Xeno: thanks
[19:09:17] Fleche Xeno: let me know when fountainhead gets read
[19:09:20] Lauren Weyland: /and where can I hear a Richard Halley piece
[19:09:23] Fleche Xeno: I’ve been waiting 15 yearas to duiscussi it
[19:09:47] ToryLynn Writer: ok
[19:10:15] Ina Centaur: lauren, Halley is likely Rachmaninoff, B or W
[19:10:20] ToryLynn Writer: My first thought, when I read about the young brakeman in the train in chapter one.. taht he WAS Halley
[19:10:27] Lauren Weyland: /btw the discussion of Mexico was interesting
[19:10:31] ToryLynn Writer: but.. then they go into Halley’s life
[19:10:37] Ina Centaur: hehe.. why would halley be working as a train junkie?
[19:10:53] ToryLynn Writer: he had retired,. I just thought,.., you know.. underground composer…
[19:11:03] ToryLynn Writer: I didn’t know he was as famous as all of that before…
[19:11:04] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:11:07] Ina Centaur: interesting perspective
[19:11:19] ToryLynn Writer: I live with a musician
[19:11:36] ToryLynn Writer: though he doesn’t compose.. He hums a lot. stuff I’ve never heard
[19:11:39] Lauren Weyland: /oh I’m not sure of the right response ToryLynn
[19:11:45] Aaron Jung: perhaps the train boy is John Galt
[19:11:48] Aaron Jung:
[19:12:00] ToryLynn Writer: /me laughs
[19:12:05] Lauren Weyland: /no John Galt lives somewheree
[19:12:09] Ina Centaur: i think you’re right in the sense that the young brakeman is (in Rand’s view) the “same type of person” as Halley
[19:12:20] ToryLynn Writer: that phrase bugs me as much as it bugs Dagney
[19:12:28] Ina Centaur: but.. Halley is supposed to be this old guy though
[19:12:29] Lauren Weyland: /nice thought….the brakeman…I forgot
[19:12:37] Lauren Weyland: /wow…good
[19:12:39] Lauren Weyland: /ty
[19:12:54] Ina Centaur: oh yes, aaron, i thought the brakeman was john galt as well
[19:13:02] Lauren Weyland: /why else would he be there and the failed newspaper man
[19:13:05] Aaron Jung: /great minds…..
[19:13:09] Ina Centaur: i think rand might have meant for him to be Galt in some early draft of her novel
[19:13:09] Lauren Weyland: /point counterpoint
[19:13:24] Ina Centaur: but she might have disassociated that to make the novel less deux ex machina
[19:13:40] Aaron Jung: yeah
[19:13:41] Lauren Weyland: /don’t introduce the gun if youdon’t intend to use it
[19:13:58] Lauren Weyland: /ina please explain deux ex machina
[19:14:05] Aaron Jung: /regardless of Gault….i read the 3 chapters today, and oh my….
[19:14:13] Aaron Jung: (google, lauren.. :D)
[19:14:19] ToryLynn Writer: it means God in the machine, Lauren
[19:14:39] ToryLynn Writer: it’s in fairly badly written plots where some deific intervention makes everything all right
[19:14:41] Lauren Weyland: /ok now you all think I’m dumb
[19:14:41] Ina Centaur: /lauren.. god in the machine… say, in a novel, where everything fits perfectly so that things become deliberately unreal
[19:14:53] ToryLynn Writer: not at all. I didn’t know it until college
[19:15:07] Ina Centaur: /(and now we’re saying lauren’s too young for college )
[19:15:23] Ina Centaur: / lol but anyway… getting back to chapter 3…
[19:15:35] Ina Centaur: / the top and the bottom…
[19:15:37] Aaron Jung: /my fav thing so far is ‘in some undefined manner’ XD
[19:15:46] Ina Centaur: / the discussion that happened on the top floor?
[19:15:59] Ina Centaur: / yes, definitely, they seal agreements ín some undefined manner’
[19:16:16] Aaron Jung: /that phrase repeats often
[19:16:29] Jordana McMahon: sound rather sinister
[19:16:38] Lauren Weyland: /they seal an agreeement of belief
[19:16:42] Lauren Weyland: /not of fact
[19:16:53] Grace McDunnough: I think it’s her way of expressing her sincere distate for irrational decisions and behavior
[19:17:00] Grace McDunnough: *distaste
[19:17:06] ToryLynn Writer: I’ll be back in a bit
[19:17:07] Ina Centaur: yes
[19:17:11] Lauren Weyland: /the line of big companies having to work together was a big idea after world war 2
[19:17:27] Lauren Weyland: /America ruled the world in the time she wrote this
[19:17:42] Aaron Jung: /good ole times…
[19:17:43] Lauren Weyland: /you cannot imagine..but anyone of you could have nearly bought a country then
[19:17:47] Ina Centaur: oh yes, give us your first hand history lesson, lauren ;-P
[19:17:59] Aaron Jung: /
[19:18:20] Aaron Jung: /me might afford Kosovo or something….
[19:18:35] Grace McDunnough: Welcome back Tory
[19:18:43] Ina Centaur: (wb tory)
[19:18:50] ToryLynn Writer: thanks
[19:20:03] Lauren Weyland: /ok, Ina is serious..I know all about the 50’s
[19:20:24] Lauren Weyland: /i will be the dumb blond historian. like the blond leading the blond
[19:20:44] Aaron Jung: /you were a kiddo then..tell us…
[19:21:38] Ina Centaur: did people really believe that cigarette seller’s quote?
[19:21:53] Ina Centaur: that cigarettes are like blazing “points of thoughts” … how it’s time well spent smoking in the dark
[19:22:00] Ina Centaur: (bad lowbrow paraphrase)
[19:22:20] Lauren Weyland: yes…you want to know 1950’s
[19:22:25] Lauren Weyland: /white socks on men
[19:22:32] Lauren Weyland: cigs rolled in your sleeve
[19:22:32] Aaron Jung: /well, whatever hea meant by that- I picked it up as a smoker. Nicotine focuses you when you are an addict.
[19:22:44] Lauren Weyland: /chevrolet and ford the brand of the world
[19:22:54] Lauren Weyland: let’s discuss the book
[19:23:01] Aaron Jung: /nylons did not have spandex in them in the 50’s did they?
[19:23:49] Ina Centaur: / good times.. i think
[19:23:59] ToryLynn Writer: no, I think they were made of nylons
[19:23:59] Ina Centaur: / well so back to the book…
[19:24:00] ToryLynn Writer:
[19:24:05] Aaron Jung: i liked the cigarette guy’s line about ‘man has fire’ thing…
[19:24:10] Lauren Weyland: /anytime you are alive is a good time
[19:24:19] Lauren Weyland: /yes aaron
[19:24:21] Ina Centaur: / why do you think Rand tends to associate “blank-outs” with more villainous characters?
[19:24:25] Lauren Weyland: /one of the best lines of all
[19:24:48] ToryLynn Writer: what do you mean by Blank out. I haven’t caught that yet
[19:24:51] Ina Centaur: (aaron, the cigarette guy could have given a great commercial on how smoking’s great for you)
[19:25:12] Aaron Jung: (back then it was considered healthy, yes)
[19:25:13] Nebbisk Oh: in here and upstairs
[19:25:16] Ina Centaur: “blank-out”… trailing off into nothingness before you’ve actually said it
[19:25:19] Aaron Jung: (like gummi bears)
[19:25:32] Ina Centaur: (gummi bears are still healthy though imho ;-P)
[19:25:37] Aaron Jung: (gross)
[19:25:41] ToryLynn Writer: aaj
[19:25:42] Aaron Jung: (i hate them)
[19:25:47] ToryLynn Writer: I love gummie bears
[19:25:48] Amber Botha: sorry
[19:25:49] Nebbisk Oh: in here
[19:25:54] ToryLynn Writer: thye have gummi bear vitamins now
[19:25:54] Nebbisk Oh: hehe thought you drowned
[19:26:03] ToryLynn Writer: ok… running away with thoughts… back to book
[19:26:03] Lauren Weyland: i don’t smoke…..only when I’m drinking with a beuatiful women who is smoking
[19:26:17] Lauren Weyland: /ok…what about Dabny
[19:26:27] Aaron Jung: (they soften in your mouth and have consistency of tripe. they are gross, and gelatine is made out of cooked beef bones and hoofs….anyway, back to the book)
[19:26:28] Lauren Weyland: /what do you feel about her at 14 etc
[19:26:29] Nebbisk Oh: it’s in that building
[19:26:33] Nebbisk Oh: the “longhouse”
[19:26:42] Lauren Weyland: /heave on the keyboard
[19:26:45] ToryLynn Writer: I was reading a lot into the conversation with Taggart and his boys.. and I kept thinking of that line from Harry Potter 7 “For the greater good” and it made me shiver
[19:26:46] Lauren Weyland: /brb
[19:27:10] Aaron Jung: yeah I wonder what is it they did for the greater good…
[19:27:15] Aaron Jung: run a train?
[19:27:24] Aaron Jung: kill ome mexicans?
[19:27:26] Aaron Jung: *some
[19:27:43] Jordana McMahon: It said a lot about her wanting to know someone who was smart and someone smarter than she
[19:28:02] Ina Centaur: well, the boys on top believe they are helping “all people” by bringing wealth to mexico
[19:28:27] Aaron Jung: oh i LOVED that part…how it was mentioned exactly what she wanted, and then blown off in an instant….moved to another topic-
[19:28:29] Ina Centaur: but they don’t see that they’re just paying dorks who can’t do their job… so that incumbents in Mexico would nationalize the whole event
[19:28:34] Aaron Jung: - hence i said she needs to get laid bad.
[19:29:01] Ina Centaur: well, aaron, if you’re interested in that part… i’d give you a spoiler… this is actually a romance novel
[19:29:01] Nebbisk Oh: welcome back
[19:29:20] Amber Botha: thanks
[19:29:24] Ina Centaur: in the rest of the novel, dagny will be seen to have 3 rather torrid affairs…
[19:29:27] ToryLynn Writer: yay! I was gonna sk that
[19:29:27] Aaron Jung: good, lol, i don’t thionk i could read about trains any longer
[19:29:29] Aaron Jung: lol
[19:29:33] Nebbisk Oh: in that building and upstairs
[19:29:42] Amber Botha: Ok..thanks for helping
[19:29:45] ToryLynn Writer: I wanted this to be a bit romantic.. not all about socialism and capitalism
[19:29:54] Nebbisk Oh: tell them nebbisk sent you
[19:29:55] Ina Centaur: in her fiction, Rand is actually a romance author. but she beats the rest of those cat rom people, 4 shizzles, duh
[19:30:01] Amber Botha: OK…
[19:30:05] Nebbisk Oh: he’d join but he’s busy reading a comic book
[19:30:11] Amber Botha: don;’t U want to come?
[19:30:20] Nebbisk Oh: can’t amber, busy scripting
[19:30:20] ToryLynn Writer: Hello Amber
[19:30:21] Ina Centaur: well, the philosophy is actually what makes her work greater than the millions of cat rom published every day
[19:30:22] Lauren Weyland: /back
[19:30:24] Ina Centaur: (hi amber)
[19:30:27] Nebbisk Oh: nice people up there though — have fun
[19:30:28] Aaron Jung: i seriously gave it a thought at one point…’ a woman to write a novel about steel pouring and trains?’…no way
[19:30:31] Amber Botha: Ok….see u later
[19:30:58] Ina Centaur: lol, basically, Rand wanted to paint Dagny as a woman who’s equally capable of the best of her male counterparts
[19:31:09] Ina Centaur: (my pov at least)
[19:31:13] Aaron Jung: she sis good. i like Dagny
[19:31:17] Aaron Jung: *did
[19:31:28] Ina Centaur: to do that… she probably wouldn’t have had Dagny be the world’s best cook or something…
[19:31:38] Grace McDunnough: /me laughs
[19:31:48] Aaron Jung: I love assuming what happens in the future
[19:32:17] Ina Centaur: i mean, don’t get me wrong… the good guys are the competent people in the novel… and later on, she even has one of the superpowers of her heroes be cooking and making a great sandwich/breakfast
[19:32:33] Lauren Weyland: /one thing to remember there are 38 characters in the book
[19:32:44] Ina Centaur: rand doesn’t hate cooking… it’s just that some tasks are just traditionally seen as petty, then and now… even if they do require skill to do
[19:32:55] ToryLynn Writer: I can definitely see the potential between an illicit affair between her and Rearden
[19:32:55] Aaron Jung: that throws me off lauren, i am bad with names
[19:32:57] Ina Centaur: oh 38, lauren? i haven’t counted..
[19:32:58] Aaron Jung:
[19:33:14] Lauren Weyland: /and there is meaning in that only 3 women
[19:33:21] Aaron Jung: o_O
[19:33:29] Lauren Weyland: /and some unidentifieds
[19:33:45] Aaron Jung: i could really slap what’s his name’s mother
[19:33:47] Lauren Weyland: /but 38 is an important judaic number
[19:33:54] Lauren Weyland: and ayn rand was jewish